How Much POISON Is Hiding In Your Grocery Store Food?

[00:00:00] Speaker A: I have a question. How much poison in your food is too much? Like, when you go to the grocery store and you buy an item, how much of it being poison is okay, we ran across a couple of articles, agriculture articles, talking about that very type of thing, and it caused us to pause and think about, wait a minute, what's going on here? [00:00:22] Speaker B: Welcome to the Dust or Mud Podcast. [00:00:24] Speaker A: My name is Rich and I'm Shelley. [00:00:25] Speaker B: From the Duster Mud Podcast. We like to talk about food freedom and farming. Today we're going to focus on food and farming and how the two come together. Before we get into that, we really need to talk about the white elephant in the room or. Yeah. [00:00:42] Speaker A: So if you're listening to this, you won't know, but if you're watching this on YouTube, there's a lamb in my lap. [00:00:49] Speaker B: Yeah, it's lambing season. This one was rejected by its mom. It's going to a new home today. And today is the day we have to record this podcast. So in order to keep it from screaming outside the door. [00:01:04] Speaker A: So whenever you have bottle lambs, oftentimes they will attach to the person who feeds them the most often. And I'm the one that taught this one how to eat out of a bottle. And it has attached to my niece, basically. And now in order for me to do anything, the thing has to go with me or it bleats constantly and loudly. Lambs. If you haven't been around them, lambs, when they bleat, they sound like crying human infants. And having a crying human infant in the background of a podcast just done some good. [00:01:41] Speaker B: No. [00:01:41] Speaker A: So here we are with the lamb joining us. [00:01:44] Speaker B: Lamb on lap. [00:01:45] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:01:46] Speaker B: Welcome, Lammy. [00:01:47] Speaker A: Yes. To the podcast. Right, right. Whatever. We do what we got to do. [00:01:52] Speaker B: Your opinions to yourself. [00:01:53] Speaker A: That's right. You know, and we got to do what we got to do. It's lambing season. [00:01:56] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:01:56] Speaker A: And we actually do farm. [00:01:59] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:02:00] Speaker A: Yeah, we do. [00:02:01] Speaker B: So the first article I ran across this morning, it is titled States Fight for farmers. Right. To apply ag chemicals. [00:02:11] Speaker A: Now, we live in the state of Missouri. We are residents. We love this state. And there are. We hear commercials on the radio about this. [00:02:21] Speaker B: Keep glyphosate in your state. [00:02:24] Speaker A: Yes. The farmers, a coalition of farmers and companies have come together to really promote this. [00:02:34] Speaker B: Yeah. The other article is called Is Regenerative Agriculture about growing food without pesticides. [00:02:44] Speaker A: Well, that's kind of one thing. Anyway, so these two articles really, really kind of brought home for us the question, you know, how much poisons. How much poison is too Much. [00:03:00] Speaker B: Yeah. So I'll go back to the first article. The first quote in the article is from Andrew Mauk, president of the North Dakota Corn Growers association. And he says a lot of times we're spraying a chemical that's about the size of a pop can on the size of a football field. A lot of people don't understand that that's the small amount of these chemicals that we're spraying. [00:03:31] Speaker A: And for those of you who don't live in the United States or might live in the part of the United States where the word population is used, we're talking about cola, soda, Coke. Coke. So 12 ounce can of liquid. Liquid, yeah. So not very big, but that's what he means by pop. [00:03:49] Speaker B: Yeah. So the, the, the, what he's trying to say with this quote is we're not spraying that much poison and people just don't understand that. They don't understand that it's only a little bit of poison. That's what he's saying. [00:04:10] Speaker A: I know it is what he's saying. But again, how much poison is too much? So we're talking primarily about, he's talking primarily about glyphosate. [00:04:20] Speaker B: Yeah. In this particular article, it's glyphosate and a.k.a. [00:04:23] Speaker A: Roundup. [00:04:24] Speaker B: Roundup. It is a weed killer. Anything that has not been genetically modified to resist glyphosate or Roundup, when it is sprayed, it dries up the roots and the plant dies. So it is used in over 100 countries around the world. It is very widely used as a weed killer and a way to keep noxious weeds from invading the crops that are growing. So the article starts by saying, look up glyphosate or farm chemical in your search engine and you'll find many different articles, articles and resources that seemingly have conflicting information. The big question on consumers minds, are they safe? And that leads to the quote then from, from Andrew Mauk saying we don't use much of it. [00:05:24] Speaker A: I, I just keep laughing at this. Right. Because it sounds so absurd. [00:05:29] Speaker B: It does sound absurd. [00:05:30] Speaker A: Right. Okay. [00:05:30] Speaker B: So, so they don't, they're not meaning it to be absurd though. This is a, they don't use serious article and it is very serious. The article is really touting the fact that states are fighting for farmers rights to use this chemical and they're trying to tie it, the right to use this chemical at the state level to the federal level, which according to fda, usda, whoever it is, glyphosate is safe to use. [00:06:03] Speaker A: Okay. [00:06:03] Speaker B: Roundup is safe to use so well. [00:06:05] Speaker A: It must be safe because they spray it on almost all of the food. [00:06:12] Speaker B: Yeah, you would think that, wouldn't you? Except that there are, there are. Have been a lot of court cases and they have actually legally tied the use of glyphosate to cancer, specifically non Hodgkin's lymphoma. And the company that makes Roundup, which is Monsanto, recently, or not recently, but previously bought by Bayer. So the parent company is Bayer. The company that makes the chemical is Monsanto. They have been held legally responsible for causing cancer. And billions of dollars have been paid out, both in court rulings that have demanded that they pay and in agreements, agreements to keep things from going to court. [00:07:10] Speaker A: Right. So their willingness to pay to me is always like kind of a. Points to a smoking gun. You're willing to pay that just like, well, is it carcinogenic? [00:07:24] Speaker B: Legally, it has been linked to causing non Hodgkin's lymphoma. And according to. [00:07:32] Speaker A: But I think the cancer research folks do say that it is. [00:07:38] Speaker B: International Agency for Research on Cancer IARC for from the World Health Organization classifies glyphosate as a probable human carcinogen. [00:07:51] Speaker A: Okay. So it's probably gonna cause cancer maybe. Okay. But here's the thing. The farmers and the farmer advocate groups, one of the things they say is without these tools, crop yields are gonna plummet. Like they're. We're not going to have as as much food. If we don't use these chemicals to grow our crops, we're not going to make as much food and therefore we're not going to make as much money for one. Because they are trying. I mean, they do have to pay their bills. [00:08:27] Speaker B: Yes. [00:08:28] Speaker A: And they do have to support their families. [00:08:30] Speaker B: Right. [00:08:30] Speaker A: And they do have to. Well, that's their livelihood. That's what they're wanting. They're trying to grow food. [00:08:37] Speaker B: Yeah. I want to go back to something you said right there at the very begin that, that we haven't really touched on that I think is important is they call this a crop protection tool. And so they talk about crop protection companies and crop protection tools. And you would think that that is something that is like, I don't know, an insurance company or, you know, you think of an umbrella protecting. Right. Well, the crop protection that they're talking about when they're dealing with these legal issues. The crop protection tool is the poison that's killing the weeds. [00:09:18] Speaker A: To kill the weeds. To protect the crops from weeds. Right. Weeds or pests. Or pests of some sort, you know, like herbicides. Herbicides and pesticides. [00:09:28] Speaker B: Yeah. Fungicides. All the sides. All the sides. [00:09:31] Speaker A: Right. We're going to kill. It's going to kill something. [00:09:33] Speaker B: We're killing something. [00:09:34] Speaker A: Except for the things that have been genetically modified that, that can survive it. Correct, Right. [00:09:39] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:09:39] Speaker A: Okay. So they need. They tout that their crop yields will plummet if they don't have this tool to be able to spray. And they won't, they just won't make as much. [00:09:50] Speaker B: Yeah, because. [00:09:51] Speaker A: Because then the pests and, or the weeds would take over and then they just wouldn't have as much. [00:09:56] Speaker B: Yep. Right, that's, that's the claim. Yeah. [00:09:59] Speaker A: And you mentioned Missouri and, and, and Georgia and North Dakota are pushing for their state laws to align with the federal law. And currently the federal law does allow for the farmers to use these protective chemicals. [00:10:20] Speaker B: Yes. [00:10:21] Speaker A: On their farms. [00:10:21] Speaker B: Yep. [00:10:23] Speaker A: Okay, so like, what's that? We heavily rely on it around the world in order to be able to grow food, but not everybody does. Correct, Right. Yeah. So let's get into like the importance and like with the, with soil health and regenerative and that kind of comparison, I guess. [00:10:50] Speaker B: Right. So that leads us to the second article, which could almost be a parody. The article, in my opinion, if the guy wasn't serious and it was written by Eric Prostko, University of Georgia. And this is the one. Is regenerative agriculture about growing food without pesticides? Question mark. And in this article he's really saying that he's been in Ag for 42 years. Production Agriculture. He's been in IT and he's worked for 33 years as an extension specialist in three separate areas of the country of the United States. And he started by saying that he likes to listen to podcasts and he. [00:11:45] Speaker A: Should listen to ours. [00:11:46] Speaker B: In a lot of podcasts that he's been listening to, they, they addressed the concept of regenerative agriculture. And despite all of this experience that he has in agriculture, he didn't know what it meant. [00:12:03] Speaker A: A guy working extension office for 40 something years doesn't know what regenerative ag means? [00:12:07] Speaker B: Well, he's been in production agriculture for 42 years and an extension agent for 33 years. [00:12:16] Speaker A: Well, that's a long time. [00:12:18] Speaker B: You don't know what regenerative ag is for decades. He doesn't know what regenerative ag is. So he went to the Noble Research Institute and wrote down their definition, which is the process of restoring degraded soils using management practices such as adaptive grazing, no till planting, blah, blah, blah. Right. So he did at least go find the definition of regenerative agriculture and added that into his, into his article. But then he says that there are three things that in his opinion make regenerative agriculture not the solution that everybody says it should be. Or, you know, he says that people are claiming that the only way to do agriculture in the future is in a regenerative fashion. And we've talked about that actually on our podcast, that we believe that the only way to do agriculture in the future is regenerative. So we would be one of the folks that he's talking about. And the three reasons he says that is just not the answer is increasing US and world populations, loss of productive farmland, and yield reductions associated with organic or no pesticide farming. And so he talks about yield reductions. You talked about the plummeting yields that other folks are talking about. We can start with that discussion. The yield reduction in an organic farm. So not regenerative, not just no pesticides, but all the way to organic. He claims or quotes that a 2023 meta analysis of 105 studies that compared organic and conventional farming indicated crop yields of organic farming were on average 18.4% lower than the yields of conventional farming. [00:14:22] Speaker A: So 18% lower from organic to conventional. So glyphosate. No glyphosate, 18%. But here was my question. So we have, we have 18% less yield. But here's the thing. Not every single thing that is grown in this country or the world at large is utilized. Much of the food that is grown around the world, and especially in the United States is. It goes to waste. We don't eat all of it. We don't, you even use all of it. In fact, the numbers are outstanding to, to me or phenomenal or ridiculous. But the fact is, like almost half. [00:15:10] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:15:11] Speaker A: Of the food grown in this country is never eaten. [00:15:14] Speaker B: 30 to 40% of food globally, so the global food supply, 30 to 40% is wasted. It's, it's thrown away. [00:15:23] Speaker A: It's thrown away. So that's globally. [00:15:25] Speaker B: Yeah. In the United States it's 40%. [00:15:29] Speaker A: So 40% of the food in the United States is never used. [00:15:34] Speaker B: Wasted. [00:15:35] Speaker A: It's completely wasted. And this gentleman, bless him, he's worried about 18% yield reduction if we go to a full up organic model. [00:15:44] Speaker B: Correct. So globally, the waste is 1.3 billion tons of food wasted annually. [00:15:54] Speaker A: So his argument, to me, it doesn't hold water at all. [00:15:58] Speaker B: Well, you're, you know, so you got your 18.4%. And then this ties in to me to what he was talking about with population increases. So the US population is projected to increase to 383 million by 2054. So they used stats from 2024, so a 30 year time span. So in 30 years, the population of the United States will go from 341 million now to 383 million. That is a 12% increase in population. So if we went to organic only for our farming and went all the way to 383 million, that is a 30%. [00:16:48] Speaker A: Difference. [00:16:48] Speaker B: Difference in making things the way that they're made right now for the population right now. [00:16:56] Speaker A: So according to actual math and what's kind of going on, we could do it. We could grow food in a healthier way. [00:17:04] Speaker B: We could still throw away 10% of our food that was grown totally organic. And for the forecasted population, you could still throw away 10% of it and feed everybody with organic only. [00:17:20] Speaker A: And oh, by the way, nowhere in here is this part of the discussion, but I'm going to say it anyway. We're also, as a population in the United States, because we eat the standard American diet, most of us are eating too much of it anyways. [00:17:34] Speaker B: That's true. [00:17:35] Speaker A: So even at the amount that we do utilize, it's probably still too much. [00:17:41] Speaker B: Right? [00:17:42] Speaker A: Like we're growing. Maybe we're just growing too much in general. [00:17:48] Speaker B: If we're able to throw away 40% globally, that means that we are growing 40%. And some of it is distribution and weight. [00:17:57] Speaker A: You know, I get it, there are. [00:17:59] Speaker B: Reasons and spoilage and distribution problems. And the truck runs out of gas. I mean, whatever. So you have to have some over. [00:18:05] Speaker A: Truck runs out of gas, you know, I don't know. Stop shipping it from one continent to another and back to the other, you know, and expecting it to last that long. [00:18:14] Speaker B: That's true. I should have said the ship. The ship runs out of gas. [00:18:16] Speaker A: I was going to say mostly. Let's stop taking so long to get it where it's going to be eaten. [00:18:25] Speaker B: Maybe the Houthis are involved. [00:18:27] Speaker A: I can't believe you just said that. That's a whole other podcast. [00:18:32] Speaker B: True. [00:18:34] Speaker A: So I think you would like talking about it. [00:18:35] Speaker B: I would. We could go off. All right. We're talking freedom now. So if you take that globally, then the global population is forecast to increase to 9.8 billion. It's at 8.1 billion now. So it's a 21% increase globally. If you talk about the 18% organic, blah, blah, you're to 39%. So on a global scale, if you stopped wasting the 40% of the food that is produced right now in 2054, everything could be grown organically. [00:19:14] Speaker A: Wow. Okay. There are some people out there kind of already doing this. And the regenerative, back to the regenerative concepts that you were talking about. There are successful farms out there, large farms, not just like, oh, you know, a couple of acres, like kind of what we are, you know, we're on the smaller side of things. But Gabe Brown, for instance. Yeah, Gabe Brown is very successful. He's running about a $5,000. 5,000. 5,000 acre ranch slash farm. And they are doing it regeneratively. He used to be crop guy. He used to, he, he was a subsidy guy. He tells his story and he has been successful at switching over from the, from the conventional commodity market to the regenerative. Regenerative. [00:20:05] Speaker B: That's right. [00:20:05] Speaker A: Style. [00:20:06] Speaker B: Will Harris, White Oak Pastures, another one, started out life conventional and has switched to regenerative. Great stories if you want to learn from people that have switched over. Gabe Brown and Will Harris are both outstanding examples of switching from conventional to regenerative. There's also a lot of information out there about how much money is saved by doing things regeneratively. So on the organic side, yeah, it may be an 18% crop reduction we didn't talk about. And I can't, I don't have the information on what is that from the regenerative perspective because that's actually organic, which is a lot further down the, the line than regenerative. So your input costs are way less because you're not paying for all of the sides that we just talked about, the herbicide, fungicide, pesticides, and you're not paying for all of the chemical fertilizers that are used also. So the input costs are considerably less on a regenerative farm. So even if the output is slightly lower, the input costs are considerably lower. So that what they're finding is they're actually being more profitable, even though the yields might be slightly less. The profits are increased because the inputs are decreased. [00:21:36] Speaker A: But an argument against it would be, it's just, it's very management intensive. [00:21:41] Speaker B: Yep. [00:21:41] Speaker A: And it takes more people, it takes more hours, it takes more things regeneratively to grow things. [00:21:48] Speaker B: That's true. [00:21:49] Speaker A: Yeah. That would be an argument that they'll come back and say, well, but that would just be too intensive. [00:21:56] Speaker B: That's true. [00:21:56] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:21:57] Speaker B: And it would be. And you know, that leads you back to the argument that we started the conversation with. The states want the right, you know, codified, written in law that give farmers the right to use all of these poisons, these sides, these things that kill things. And they want that right so that the yields, the profits are more guaranteed than what you would have if you didn't have that. Right. And one thing that for me, that there's, if there's a little bit of hope, North Dakota has already done it. Missouri, it looks like they are about to do it. Tie their state law on the use of pesticides and herbicides to the federal law. [00:22:54] Speaker A: I hope they do. [00:22:55] Speaker B: Which to me is like, if you look at what's happening at the federal level right now with the Make America Healthy Again movement, that's true. There is potential that the agencies like the FDA and the USDA could potentially start looking at these poisons that are being put on our food as poison and not as crop protection. And from the federal level, maybe we could start restricting their use. [00:23:30] Speaker A: Yeah. And if you're tied to the federal rules, then you as a state will not be allowed to use it. [00:23:39] Speaker B: Yeah. So for me, there's some potential. [00:23:43] Speaker A: There is. And if that happens. Okay. But here's the thing. If you want to spray your crops with poison chemicals, because let's face it, you know, even a little bit of poison is still poison. A little bit of chemical, a little bit of crop protection, it's still a chemical. And it's going on to things that are going to be consumed by either animals that humans eat or by directly on food that humans directly eat. After, of course, it's been ultra processed generally, but it's still going to be food consumed by human beings. Now if you want to do that. Okay. And if you want to participate in that model. Okay. I guess. And if that, the company wants to use your stuff. Okay. But here's the thing. I think transparency is kind of the new word for 2025. Full transparency. [00:24:48] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:24:49] Speaker A: And I want to know as a consumer, if you sprayed your fields with anything that is a chemical to grow that food that was put in that. [00:25:03] Speaker B: Food, I, I think that, you know. [00:25:05] Speaker A: Let'S label it, man. [00:25:06] Speaker B: Yeah. Transparent labeling. If we're not going to restrict its use. Okay, like fine. [00:25:12] Speaker A: Well, people have tried to restrict it. Right. There are countries who have tried to restrict it in the past number of years and they would like, okay, we're going to ban it. And then they kind of don't they back off. [00:25:24] Speaker B: Yeah. Germany was going to, Luxembourg actually did and then reversed it. [00:25:28] Speaker A: Like there's, over the, over the course of the past five to 10 years, people, countries have tried and it's not, it's not Easy to do because. Well, you know, you get into the food thing. Yeah, it's not easy. [00:25:43] Speaker B: Well, then I'm with you. I think on whatever the food product is, we, we have all kinds of labeling rules and regulations. I mean, we're well aware we have to put labels on our. [00:25:56] Speaker A: Like, look, if you have to put an allergen in there, like milk, nuts, things like that. [00:26:01] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:26:02] Speaker A: Let's put poisons or let, let's put chemicals this food was sprayed with or contains may contain carcinogenic substances somehow. Some sort of transparent labeling so that moms know when you're buying the baby formula that the soy that's in it had glyphosate sprayed all over it. [00:26:27] Speaker B: Yeah. As we were researching, there's a company and they make a line of products called Enlist, and that is soy and corn and the soybeans. Right. Now, from what I can tell, about 50% of the soy produced in the United States is made with this Enlist product. Enlist seeds. [00:26:52] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:26:52] Speaker B: And what that allows is all kinds of stuff to be sprayed on it. And it still lives. [00:26:58] Speaker A: Yeah. It listed four known herbicides. [00:27:05] Speaker B: Yeah. Like 2, 4D. [00:27:06] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:27:06] Speaker B: That you glyphosate. [00:27:08] Speaker A: That it will. That it'll survive. And I want to know, is that what's in this? [00:27:14] Speaker B: Right. So I think you take it one step further. And not just a may contain carcinogenic, whatever. I want to know. This was sprayed with 2,4D. [00:27:26] Speaker A: Do you want to eat it? I should get to decide that. [00:27:29] Speaker B: And they shouldn't be able to change the name into something weird or something that you've never heard of. This was sprayed with Roundup. [00:27:39] Speaker A: Period. [00:27:39] Speaker B: This was sprayed with glyphosate. [00:27:41] Speaker A: Right. Like, and that even goes so far, I'm even going so far to say any. Like, you don't get to say, well, we're. We're non GMO because you used a non GMO seed. Right. Because many non GMO growers will spray their crops. In certain parts of the country, they will spray their crops with glyphosate as a desiccant, which means once they cut it, once they harvest it, they spray it on it to dry it. Or is it before the harvest? [00:28:11] Speaker B: It's before the harvest. As it's all out in the field, they need it to all die at the same time so that it can all be harvested at the same time. In order to make that happen, they can spray it with glyphosate. And because it's a non GMO seed, meaning that it does not survive the Application of Roundup or, or glyphosate they used to do it all dies at exactly the same time, which allows you then to go out with your big huge combine harvesters and you harvest all of it at the same time. [00:28:46] Speaker A: So I want to know. Yeah, is it sprayed? I don't, I don't care what, how you grew it, what kind of seed you used, whatever. Did you spray it with things or did you not? Yeah, well, you're not going to eat that food if, if it's, if we can't do that. Okay. [00:29:06] Speaker B: Yeah, okay, Right. [00:29:09] Speaker A: But look, I don't need it anyway, actually. [00:29:12] Speaker B: Informed choice, right. [00:29:14] Speaker A: I want to be able to choose. [00:29:15] Speaker B: I want to be able to make the decision for myself. Am I going to eat something that has been sprayed with glyphosate with. And right now there's no way to know. [00:29:26] Speaker A: Right. Maybe there is. Maybe it's just the assumption that if you're eating something that has corn, soy, wheat or whatever other thing they spray it with, spray with it. Maybe the assumption going in is if you're eating that it was sprayed, if that, if that percentage of farmers actually use it and need it, then you can kind of make the assumption that it was sprayed and then the only way to avoid it is to first not eat ultra processed foods at all. [00:29:58] Speaker B: Right. [00:29:59] Speaker A: Stay away from the grains completely, especially the corn and soys, and kick that out of your diet. [00:30:07] Speaker B: Yeah. Find yourself a local regenerative farmer. [00:30:10] Speaker A: Yeah. That's growing protein or other foods and. Well, right. And maybe you have to make the assumption and then if you can find yourself a local regenerative farmer, then you can ask them, do you spray? What do you spray with? Yeah, that's. I think right now, as of right now, that's the only way that you can actually avoid it. [00:30:39] Speaker B: Grow it yourself or find yourself a local regenerative organic. Like there, there are other labels that you could, you could put on it. [00:30:50] Speaker A: But join a CSA near you, get your vegetables at from there. But that's a local farmer. [00:30:56] Speaker B: Organic or regenerative. [00:30:57] Speaker A: Exactly. And I think that's the only one. I think that's the only route to go as far as the answer for now until something's done at the legislative level, or maybe not even legislative, maybe just within the agencies. [00:31:14] Speaker B: Yeah. So I mean, I think we're both together on this, like from our actual opinion is I don't care. [00:31:25] Speaker A: No, don't. No, we're totally like Gen Xer realist people and we don't. I'm a liberal. I'M a. I'm a. I'm a libertarian all day. [00:31:34] Speaker B: I hate it that there's huge dead zones in the Gulf of Mexico. [00:31:37] Speaker A: I do. [00:31:37] Speaker B: I don't like that. But, look, do what you want to do, do what you need to do. Right? But you got to tell me about it. [00:31:45] Speaker A: For sure. You got to tell us. And you keeping it a secret as far as the farmer who is spraying it or the company who's buying it, keeping it a secret from the people. To me, that is criminal. I should get to know if I'm eating poison or not or if my kids. My kids turn up having things we don't know why, like non Hodgkin's lymphoma, and we don't get to know. [00:32:17] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:32:18] Speaker A: So transparency. That's the word for 20, 25 for me. [00:32:23] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:32:23] Speaker A: Tell me. I'm with you. Yeah, we're together. Definitely together on that, for sure. So how do you feel about this? As. As a consumer, as a mom, a dad, someone who just eats food, or as a farmer or as a farmer or, you know, homesteader, maybe we're ridiculous, you know, like, well, we can't do it without it. They. [00:32:50] Speaker B: I don't agree with that. [00:32:51] Speaker A: I don't agree with that. I. I think that's ab. That's ludicrous because people ate food. Agriculture has been around row crop. Agriculture has been around for over 10,000 years, and only since 1975 have we been using Roundup. [00:33:05] Speaker B: Right. [00:33:06] Speaker A: So it can be done. [00:33:08] Speaker B: Right. [00:33:08] Speaker A: And we don't need the yields that you're getting. [00:33:11] Speaker B: Obviously, we're throwing away 40%. [00:33:13] Speaker A: We're throwing it away. So all of that said, you know, how do you feel about it? Do you agree with this? Do you think that something should be done at the government level? Like, what are your thoughts? I'm really genuinely interested. [00:33:26] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:33:27] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:33:27] Speaker B: It's only a pop can. [00:33:28] Speaker A: It's only a pop can. Of poison. [00:33:30] Speaker B: Of poison. [00:33:31] Speaker A: But now I can tell you a pop can on 100. 100 yard. What? How much? 100 acres? [00:33:37] Speaker B: No, a football field. [00:33:38] Speaker A: Oh, a football field. 100 yards. [00:33:40] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:33:41] Speaker A: On a football field. That's some potent stuff. [00:33:43] Speaker B: Because if it's doing its job, if. [00:33:46] Speaker A: It'S doing job that's killing everything, it. [00:33:50] Speaker B: It is so stupid to me, the fact that he's saying, I only use this much. I get the yield that I need. I'm able to kill all of the weeds on an entire football field by only using a pop can. Wow, that's some really, really poisonous stuff. [00:34:15] Speaker A: That's really potent. I guarantee you they use hazmat suits. You know, I would think, well, I would want to use a hazmat suit. Maybe they don't, but I would certainly want to use a hazmat suit. Hey, and here's another thing. You know it, and it probably won't kill you if I believe. Quote me if I'm wrong. The gentleman in the article said if used properly at the right dosage, it should not give you cancer. [00:34:43] Speaker B: That's exactly what it says. [00:34:44] Speaker A: Okay. [00:34:45] Speaker B: It shouldn't cause cancer. Eat up. [00:34:52] Speaker A: Yeah, right. The next time you pick up that box of Cheetos of whatever, of anything. [00:35:01] Speaker B: Honestly, just anything that you shouldn't get cancer. [00:35:09] Speaker A: Wow. Well, thank you guys for joining us again today on the Duster Map podcast. [00:35:16] Speaker B: All right. And until next time, bye. [00:35:19] Speaker A: Bye, y'all.