Episode Transcript
-- [00:00:00] Rebekah: Hope is huge.
I lost hope for a while there.
And that's really hard when you lose hope. But the hopeful part is that it's kind of within you,
right?
[00:00:21] Rich: What's within you?
[00:00:22] Rich: Hope.
[00:00:24] Rebekah: So it does that have to come from anything else? It's inside of you, and
hope can change your life.
[00:00:33] Rich: How'd you find it?
[00:00:37] Rebekah: That's a really hard question.
[00:00:42] Shelley: Hey, y'all, put on your boots, grab your headphones, and let's get a little
muddy.
[00:00:46] Rich: As we build a community rooted in the love of dirt roads for the Dust or
Mud.
[00:00:50] Shelley: Welcome to the Dust or Mud podcast.
Well, hi everyone. Welcome to episode 13 of the Duster Mud podcast. And if you didn't notice, if
you're viewing this on the YouTube, we are in a different location.
[00:01:07] Rich: Yes, we are.
[00:01:07] Shelley: Yeah. So after a few weeks of, well, twelve, I guess it was, of standing at
our bar, it got a little uncomfortable. We got tired of all of the sound equipment and lighting
equipment and stuff being in the main part of our house. So we decided to take our spare room
and turn it into a permanent spot for our podcast studio.
[00:01:31] Rich: Yeah, I like it. It's comfortable.
[00:01:33] Rich: Yeah.
[00:01:34] Shelley: What do you think, Beck?
[00:01:35] Rebekah: Very nice.
[00:01:36] Rich: Very nice.
[00:01:37] Shelley: I think it's going to work out that way. We don't have to set up everything.
If you're listening to this and you want to know where we're sitting, go to YouTube.
But last week we had the joy of talking to our youngest daughter Michaela, about her
homeschooling adventure.
[00:01:55] Rich: Yeah, she did a great job.
The thing that you may not know is that we really didn't coach her. She just did it.
I sat down and talked to her just a little bit about the types of questions we would ask her and
-- d almost 100 yeah, an entire.
[00:04:47] Rich: Batch of beef chickens that were ready for processing, plus some that we
had held to grow out a little bit more to cut up into parts and pieces. So we were able to do that.
We worked on that Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday of last week. We had help.
Mrs. Auntie Fiat.
[00:05:09] Shelley: Mrs. Auntie Fiat. We thank you.
[00:05:12] Rich: Thank you so much for your help. And then my mom and dad came over
and helped also. So the additional help was huge for getting everything done. So we put, I think
we calculated just under right at 400 pounds of chicken into the freezer.
[00:05:31] Rebekah: Holy smoke.
[00:05:32] Rich: Yeah.
[00:05:32] Rich: It was good week, really good.
[00:05:35] Shelley: So that was not our chicken for folks. That chicken all went in bagged,
processed, labeled.
We weighed it, marked it, and that is all for sale. So those folks in the state of Missouri, we sell
that chicken to them. Frozen whole birds and now frozen cuts next time. That's our chicken.
[00:06:01] Rich: The next batch.
[00:06:01] Shelley: The next batch, which we will process.
[00:06:04] Rich: Another part of the update. Once those beef chickens moved out of the
chicken tractor, we were able to take the chicks out of the big brooder, the beef chicks out of the
big brooder and put them into the chicken tractor. Now we got the chicken tractor moved back
up. We start them near the big poultry shift. Yeah, we start them near the dogs when they're
little.
That's better for predators and such. So we moved the tractor back up the pasture. And so got
those guys moved out of the brooder onto the pasture, which freed up the big brooder and
allowed us to move the layer chicks out of the they were in a couple of smaller brooders. They
moved out into the big brooder.
And that leads us to where we are today with the chickens, I believe probably as soon as we're
finished recording.
[00:06:59] Shelley: We'Re going to move the well, when it stops raining.
[00:07:01] Rich: The layer chicks. Yeah, we'll move the layer chicks out of the brooder. We
have an area set up for them to go start living their life outside on the farm.
[00:07:12] Shelley: Yay.
Or the barn, I guess.
[00:07:15] Rebekah: It's always good whenever you get them on pasture. That's real fun. They
like that a lot.
[00:07:19] Shelley: They do, yeah. We like that.
Rich: Surprisingly a very enjoyable part of my farming life, which is neat. So where we're going in the
future is we're going to start a Saturday morning drop site at the Ava Town Square.
[00:09:41] Shelley: Yes. So if you're listening to this and you live in the area, please get on
the website, text us, call us, make an order, and we will make sure that you get everything that
you need all winter long, packaged up, custom order delivered to your normal place that.
[00:10:02] Rebekah: You like to pick it up.
[00:10:03] Shelley: Yeah, I think that's going to work out great.
[00:10:06] Rich: I hope so.
[00:10:06] Shelley: Yeah, I do too. I really do. I just want people to keep getting the things that
they want and need for their freezers and their families and their table all winter.
[00:10:15] Rich: Yeah, for sure.
[00:10:17] Shelley: Since we grow something that we can do that, it's kind of hard to with
cucumbers.
[00:10:21] Rich: Right?
[00:10:21] Shelley: I get that.
Okay. I think that's kind of the farm.
[00:10:26] Rich: There we go.
[00:10:27] Shelley: This room is fascinating.
[00:10:28] Rich: Farm update, closed.
[00:10:29] Rebekah: Super cool.
[00:10:30] Shelley: Yeah, I know, right? Yeah. Farm update done. Check, check. Okay, off we
go back.
[00:10:36] Rich: Yeah.
[00:10:37] Shelley: So let's dive in.
[00:10:40] Rich: Okay.
[00:10:42] Shelley: You grew up a military brat.
[00:10:45] Rich: Yes.
[00:10:46] Shelley: Pretty much your entire existence that you have real memory of.
[00:10:50] Rebekah: Yes, for sure.
[00:10:52] Shelley: Yeah.
[00:10:54] Rich: You were three when we joined the Air Force, so just wanted to talk briefly
about that experience, how you felt as a military Brat. I know it's at least from what I think it's a
part of a person's identity, definitely. As a kid growing up, that puts you in a different category,
especially from most of the folks around here who grow up in a small town, and your mom and I
-- up to a hostel.
[00:14:10] Shelley: You know where I'm going with this one.
[00:14:12] Rebekah: So we show up to a hostel and you would think, like, you're staying in a
place they may have towels for you to shower with. Well, no, they didn't. And there was nowhere
nearby, I guess. Ireland doesn't sell towels. And so we got some dish towels and showered and
dried off with our dish towels.
[00:14:30] Shelley: And.
[00:14:35] Rich: Because your parents because Americans don't understand hostel, we
didn't understand you should probably pack your own sheets and towels.
[00:14:46] Rich: Yeah.
[00:14:46] Shelley: It's barely space to stay, and you shouldn't probably take a whole family
there. We learned that. But hey, experiences. Yeah, that wasn't my favorite either. Experience.
Yeah. But I did keep those dish towels for a really long time. They're really good. Very absorbent.
A lot of great memories.
[00:15:04] Rich: Doesn't take many, actually, to dry off.
[00:15:07] Shelley: Oh, right. Many dish towels to dry your body. No. Who would think that
you can't find a bath towel or even a beach towel of any sort in the little towns in Was? We were
flabbergasted.
[00:15:20] Rich: It wasn't towel season.
[00:15:22] Shelley: I guess not. Europe is so different with their stuff. Like know do you
remember the time.
[00:15:27] Rich: We tried to buy a fan?
[00:15:28] Shelley: Well, we needed a fan for our bedroom when we first moved to England
because it was so cricket quiet.
[00:15:34] Rich: And we were like, November.
[00:15:35] Shelley: Oh, and it was November. And we needed a fan to make noise because
we didn't have phones that did this at the know, make your little app noises. That didn't exist.
And we were looking for a fan. They were like, oh, sorry.
[00:15:49] Rich: Fans are for the summertime.
[00:15:50] Shelley: Fans are for the summertime.
[00:15:53] Rich: We did find a bit we found a bits and bobs store and they went into their
attic and found us a fan. And found us a fan.
[00:16:01] Shelley: They felt that bad for us.
[00:16:02] Rich: They felt that bad for us. They were able to find one. So they do exist.
[00:16:05] Shelley: They're just put why didn't we just go to the BX and look at for a box fan
at the BX?
[00:16:09] Rich: Yeah, they didn't have any.
-- nk at that time we were lacking stability, and so I knew that that was a safe, stable place.
[00:18:42] Rich: That seems like an oxymoron to have said I'm very adaptable because I
move around a lot, and I don't know how long I'm going to be at a place and I can make friends
quickly. So you just explained that, but then you said it was stable, so help folks tie those
together.
[00:19:02] Rebekah: So there is the adaptability with the moving and your direct environment,
but then there's the stability of your community and your job and insurance and the things that
you rely on. You know, you're going to have a roof over your head. You're not going without
because you have a steady paycheck.
[00:19:24] Rich: Got it. Yeah, that makes sense.
[00:19:26] Rich: Yeah.
[00:19:27] Rich: Cool. So influential in the path to get into the military. Any challenges
making that happen? Like getting everything going in that military direction?
[00:19:42] Rebekah: A little bit, but we overcame.
[00:19:47] Rich: Okay, cool.
[00:19:49] Shelley: So life at Fairchild yeah, that was really yeah, yeah.
[00:19:54] Rebekah: So we would go out camping pretty much every weekend. We would had
a lot of good friends. That was really cool.
[00:20:07] Shelley: Okay.
[00:20:10] Rich: For me, Fairchild was not that's where survival evasion, resistance and
escape training. Sear training is for the Air Force and man. I remember the first time we went
and visited you.
We drove over to the Sear area and I broke out in sweats.
[00:20:28] Shelley: Yes, you did.
[00:20:29] Rich: Fairchild was not that experience for me.
[00:20:31] Shelley: Yeah, it was very influential for you.
[00:20:35] Rich: Yes.
[00:20:35] Shelley: It had a lot of impact. Lasting, lasting, lasting impact.
[00:20:41] Rich: I think I would still break out in sweats. PTSD.
[00:20:45] Rich: Yeah.
[00:20:47] Shelley: So a little deeper into Spokane, you worked in a hospital. You wound up
finding a job because you had worked in a hospital previously in Florida. You really enjoyed that
and kind of were headed down the path of being in healthcare administration. So what did you
do when you were working there at that very large hospital?
[00:21:10] Rich: Yeah.
[00:21:10] Rebekah: So at first I started off in registration, which is what I had done previously,
-- er B: And life changed.
[00:23:21] Rebekah: Life changed a lot.
[00:23:23] Rich: Yeah.
[00:23:25] Rebekah: So I spent about a year in outpatient rehab almost every day, going to
some sort of therapy or another, trying to regain my life.
[00:23:43] Rich: Yeah.
[00:23:44] Shelley: Because wasn't it front, back, front. So you had brain bleed on the front
and on the back and the vestibular therapy, the huge Ocular therapy to.
[00:23:57] Rich: Talk to us about some of the effects, like what happened.
[00:24:01] Rebekah: So it would make me very dizzy just to do anything to roll over in bed. I
would want to throw up. I had intense migraines, super intense migraines. My vision was tunnel
vision.
I lost my taste for about two years in my saliva.
I was very off balance. I couldn't really walk. I couldn't go into a store. I couldn't drive.
[00:24:31] Shelley: You lost your license for a year?
[00:24:33] Rebekah: I lost my license for a year, yes.
And I couldn't really read.
[00:24:41] Shelley: And you were in college at the time?
[00:24:42] Rebekah: I was in college at the time.
[00:24:43] Shelley: And you managed to finish the classes somehow or another that you
were in?
[00:24:48] Rebekah: But I did not finish.
I didn't go back the next term.
[00:24:52] Shelley: Right.
[00:24:53] Rich: Yeah.
[00:24:53] Shelley: It just wasn't possible.
[00:24:54] Rebekah: No, not at all.
[00:24:56] Rich: Yes.
[00:24:57] Rebekah: And so I did occupational therapy, relearning motor skills, because my
reaction times were super slow.
I did vision therapy. I did physical therapy, massage therapy. I was in a C collar for about a
month because I hurt my neck and my back had a back brace too.
[00:25:22] Shelley: It was a heck of a fall.
-- y marriage. And it was rough.
[00:28:19] Shelley: So during that period of time you just said took a toll on my marriage, but
during that period of time, in and out of mental health struggles, ups and downs, in and out.
He was your support system, though.
[00:28:40] Rich: Oh, yeah, absolutely.
[00:28:41] Shelley: Right.
[00:28:42] Rich: Yeah.
[00:28:43] Shelley: Came home from a deployment and started taking you to all of the
appointments, making sure that that was that you.
[00:28:50] Rebekah: Were he did great.
[00:28:51] Shelley: Yeah. In that aspect. But things like this, traumatic events in our lives
across the board, can take a toll on relationships. Yeah, it really does.
[00:29:05] Rich: Do you feel like there was a transition there of maybe that started the
decline of the relationship, where he maybe went from being a spouse to more of a caregiver or
parent and then that never really seemed to go away?
[00:29:25] Rebekah: I think that's true.
[00:29:29] Rich: Yeah.
[00:29:30] Rebekah: I don't know. It's a turning point, but yeah.
[00:29:35] Shelley: I don't know that that's uncommon when people are thrown into those
types of roles unexpectedly, that they step up and then quite know when to step down.
[00:29:48] Rich: Yeah.
[00:29:55] Shelley: So as you navigated your mental health, you guys moved yes. Away from
there. You were there for six years in Spokane. So all of us, all during this time, we're talking
about you're still living in Spokane, way away from all friends, family. I mean, you had your own
friends there, but you were away from family. Far away. Your dad was still in the Air Force at the
time. I had Michaela, so we were not even very helpful because he was doing his thing. I
couldn't just dump and run.
[00:30:30] Rebekah: Right.
[00:30:31] Shelley: Because we were not empty nesters. We had also another child. And so
you guys were doing your you guys then we were kind of seeing maybe something else needs to
happen. And you guys were able to move closer to us.
[00:30:48] Rich: Yes.
[00:30:48] Shelley: And you moved to Maryland to be stationed near Andrews, and that was
kind of good, getting closer to family.
[00:30:58] Rich: Yeah.
[00:30:59] Shelley: To help to help your mental state and help support him in supporting you.
-- country. Yeah.
You were always athletic, you were fit, you were super into being healthy.
[00:33:29] Rich: Oh, yeah.
[00:33:30] Rebekah: Pretty much always, except for just about two years.
[00:33:33] Shelley: So a lot of that with the mental health struggles and the relationship with
the food, the incongruency right.
[00:33:45] Rebekah: Which was a struggle as well.
[00:33:47] Shelley: Your values say one thing and you're doing another thing, and that
incongruency between what our values are and who we really are and what we're doing causes
some serious turmoil.
[00:33:59] Rich: It does. Yeah.
[00:34:01] Rich: That is cognitive dissonance yeah.
[00:34:04] Shelley: At its finest.
[00:34:05] Rich: When I believe one thing, but I'm doing something else.
[00:34:07] Rich: Yeah.
[00:34:08] Rebekah: And I think that probably made it.
[00:34:10] Rich: Worse, too, and from a mental health perspective.
[00:34:14] Shelley: Right.
[00:34:15] Rich: And so after we had left, when you were in Maryland now alone, mental
health issues and struggles continue.
[00:34:27] Rich: Yeah.
[00:34:27] Rebekah: They continued and got quite a bit worse. And then my marriage got real
bad and I decided to leave.
[00:34:41] Rich: So there was a moment there was a moment. There was a phone call, I
believe, and I said something to you that really pissed you off.
[00:34:51] Rich: Yeah.
[00:34:52] Rebekah: You said, you must like it.
And I did not.
[00:34:57] Shelley: Well, it snapped. You like, Wait a minute. Of course I don't like it.
[00:35:04] Rich: Yeah.
[00:35:04] Shelley: And I think his point was you must like it or you would leave the situation.
[00:35:11] Rich: Yeah.
-- er A: Right.
[00:38:39] Shelley: And when you keep showing up, man, that makes it easy. We're going to
do this again tomorrow. And patience is hard.
[00:38:46] Rich: Yeah.
[00:38:47] Shelley: Because you see the hope.
[00:38:49] Rebekah: Right.
[00:38:49] Shelley: I see what can be. This is not difficult for me.
[00:38:52] Rich: Right.
[00:38:53] Rich: And it seemed at least that you found drive or a place or describe what
farming did for you there.
[00:39:03] Rebekah: Oh, the peace in my soul was intense, and there's a different kind of tired.
Like, I've worked all day and I'm tired, and I'm tired because I need peace. And the farming and
the being with the animals and being around my family and having support all put me at peace.
And so in that peaceful place, I was able to show up for myself every single day so that I could
show up for the people around me and just make some serious moves in life.
[00:39:33] Rich: It seemed to happen quickly to me yeah, it did.
[00:39:37] Shelley: Seemed that way to me, too.
[00:39:38] Rich: Yeah.
[00:39:40] Rebekah: I just had a serious mindset shift that I'm going to show up every single
day.
Every day.
[00:39:50] Shelley: And when you showed up, though, you were on a lot of medicines.
Hello? Is anybody home?
[00:39:57] Rich: Almost like a walking zombie.
[00:39:59] Rich: Yeah.
[00:39:59] Rebekah: I was really sedated. I had doctors care and slowly, with doctors helping
me, came down off of all of those medications, except for one. I still have one medication.
[00:40:13] Shelley: So I remember that doctor telling you after you work, what you were
doing, where you were, what you had done, the decisions you had made, the environment that
you're now in, and he told you before he was walking you down, but before you got to almost
nothing, he told you. Do you remember what he told you about there's nothing.
[00:40:36] Rebekah: There is no medication that I can prescribe you that is going to help you
as much as all of these lifestyle changes you've made.
[00:40:43] Rich: And one of those had to do with food also, right?
[00:40:46] Rich: Yes.
-- ound that enough.
[00:43:13] Rich: Yeah.
[00:43:18] Shelley: So you're not in the healthcare profession anymore. You almost kind of
thought about it.
[00:43:24] Rebekah: I thought about it, but I actually started working retail.
[00:43:27] Shelley: Yeah.
[00:43:28] Rebekah: And I love it.
[00:43:30] Shelley: Nice. It's completely different career path.
[00:43:33] Rebekah: Oh, it's so fun though.
[00:43:34] Rich: Yes.
[00:43:35] Rebekah: Low stress, right?
[00:43:38] Rich: Yeah.
[00:43:41] Shelley: I don't want to be in charge of whether or not the infant gets a heart. No,
not anymore stress in my life.
[00:43:47] Rebekah: Not anymore.
[00:43:48] Shelley: It has a place.
[00:43:49] Rebekah: It does have a place.
[00:43:51] Rich: But you are working yourself into and are at the just starting management.
[00:43:57] Rich: Yes.
[00:43:58] Rebekah: So I just got a management lowest level management position.
[00:44:06] Shelley: I don't think that anybody gets above that without doing that. Right.
[00:44:12] Rebekah: So it's a start on a path, and I'm very excited for it.
And the place I work, I'm working at the Ava Walmart and the crew that we have, just the whole
store is absolutely incredible. I love all my coworkers. And we have a really good.
[00:44:29] Rich: We'Ve we've talked in the past about the community and the community
that we have here in the Ozarks from our perspective.
[00:44:37] Rebekah: Right.
[00:44:38] Rich: Your perspective is a little bit different just because you have a full time
job off of the farm, where we spend all of our time on the farm.
[00:44:46] Rich: Right.
[00:44:46] Rich: So your community is a little different than ours. Talk about your
community.
-- through the class. I do.
[00:47:18] Rich: We'll pass.
Yeah.
[00:47:23] Shelley: Well, you're just a different person than you were when you got here a
year and a half ago.
[00:47:27] Rich: Yeah.
[00:47:28] Rich: So on the podcast, we focus on food, freedom, farming. We've talked a bit
about farming and food.
What does freedom mean to you here?
[00:47:46] Rebekah: I think that the freedom is huge. I'm free of not being, like, a slave to my
food. That's huge to me. I'm free of 90 pounds of weight that I'm not lugging around every day.
I've got freedom in my community.
And as you guys have mentioned, the interdependence provides freedom.
And so I've got support systems. Huge, excellent support systems.
And I'm able to just kind of do my own thing.
[00:48:27] Rich: That's cool.
[00:48:27] Rebekah: It's pretty cool.
[00:48:28] Rich: So you said something at the beginning that we got to dig into a little bit.
You said I'm free from my food.
[00:48:36] Rich: Yes.
[00:48:36] Rich: Does that mean you don't eat?
[00:48:38] Rebekah: No, I don't have cravings. I'm not thinking about constantly what my next
food is going to be. It's not a thing for me, and I just live within the guidelines of what I know is
healthy for me, and then I can just eat whatever I want within the guidelines.
[00:49:06] Rich: So a little bit of a preview to our next week's episode. We'll talk a bit about
our food journey. But when you say you eat what's healthy for you, that means a low fat, medium
protein, high carbohydrate, standard American follow the food. No, follow the food pyramid
grains are on the bottom. That means you eat the most of those.
[00:49:30] Rebekah: No, I eat a high fat, moderate protein, low carb diet.
[00:49:37] Rich: I think by definition, you would be a very low carbohydrate diet.
[00:49:41] Rebekah: Yes, very low.
[00:49:44] Rich: I think the standard American diet is somewhere around 300 grams of
carbs a day.
Yeah. If you get below 100, I think they consider that a low carb.
-- hin you?
[00:52:52] Rich: Hope.
[00:52:53] Rebekah: So it doesn't have to come from anything else. It's inside of you, and hope
can change your life.
[00:53:03] Rich: How'd you find it?
[00:53:07] Rebekah: That's a really hard question.
I think I was so desperate.
[00:53:15] Rich: That.
[00:53:15] Rebekah: I didn't have any other choice, really, if I wanted to keep going and then
was able to just completely turn it around with the hope.
Yeah.
[00:53:33] Shelley: Any lessons learned from your journey that someone else might benefit
from?
[00:53:40] Rebekah: Believe in yourself.
[00:53:43] Shelley: Yeah.
[00:53:44] Rich: It seems like it would be hard to do in the place that you were, as we were
describing it, on lots of medications. Overweight, feeling worthless somehow, though, you've
said believe in yourself, and I found hope somehow. Let's dig deeper.
How did you do that?
Where was it? You said it was in you, but there was a time there when you didn't feel like it was.
[00:54:14] Rich: Yeah.
[00:54:14] Rich: So what happened?
Take us through a journey if you can, from, I am hopeless worthless, overweight. Right. Like,
that description to I have hope.
[00:54:32] Rebekah: It was a slow journey. There wasn't, like, a light that switched. Like, I
made a decision. I'm like, okay, I'm going to show up for myself today. And then the next day, I
had to show up for myself that day. There's not enough for tomorrow, but I have enough for
today. So just showing up starting at that starting point and just showing up for yourself that day,
what does that mean?
[00:54:57] Rich: Showing up for yourself?
[00:55:02] Rebekah: Like, caring about yourself and your well being and making decisions that
support that.
[00:55:19] Rich: Yeah.
[00:55:21] Rich: So do you think that's first step in a journey of hope?
[00:55:28] Rich: Yeah.
-- yourself and somehow overcome the sedation, to have the strength to make the decision in
that foggy sedated state to say, I'm going to care for myself.
[00:58:22] Rich: Yeah.
[00:58:22] Rich: That's huge.
[00:58:23] Shelley: It was slow. I remember the first time you laughed again.
She has a really loud when she laughs, like really belly laugh. It's a loud, obnoxious laugh. And
that one time you did it and I'm like, oh, my gosh, she's back.
Maybe she's back. Oh, my goodness. It was great. It took a long time.
It took a minute, but it was.
[00:58:47] Rich: A couple of months.
[00:58:48] Shelley: Yeah, it was months. Yeah, it was months.
[00:58:50] Rich: And the reduction of a lot of meds.
[00:58:53] Rich: Yeah.
[00:58:54] Shelley: Before your brain even had the capacity. It was so sedated.
[00:58:57] Rich: Yeah.
[00:59:01] Shelley: So now you're living in the Ozarks, building yourself a life. You stayed with
us for a little while. We can just kind of tidy, just put a little bow around this story. You were living
in this room, and she moved out, and now it's not that anymore. You called it the sped.
Sorry. For those of you that have read.
[00:59:24] Rebekah: The line, the witch in the wardrobe.
[00:59:26] Shelley: Yeah. So I always mess things up. It's fine. Anyway, you lived in here for a
while. You hung out with us for a year while you really we gave you the opportunity to just get
yourself strong enough yes. To where you could go, okay, I'm myself again. I'm ready to go. Be
myself again.
[00:59:47] Rich: Yes.
[00:59:47] Shelley: And just about a month ago, you put an RV up in the spot where our RV
used to be and now have your own spot in the world.
[00:59:58] Rich: I do.
[00:59:58] Shelley: And your own little tiny house, which has been your dream for a long time,
to live in a small space in a very just not I guess you're a bit of a minimalist, not a maximum
situation.
[01:00:16] Rebekah: Right.
[01:00:16] Shelley: So that's really congruent with your values.
[01:00:19] Rich: It is.
-- s risk, the study found. Those who consumed the highest amount of red meat were 62% more
likely to develop type two diabetes compared to those who ate the least amount.
All red meats drove up the risk.
They quoted an author of the study.
The first author, Zhao Gu, postdoctoral research fellow in the Department of Nutrition at
Harvard, was the person that they quoted in the article. One of the things he said was, we
employed advanced methods to take into account possible errors in reporting dietary intake, and
we controlled in detail for extraneous factors that might account for our findings.
[01:03:48] Shelley: Okay, so historically, when they do these studies, they have to ask people
to do a food diary. Write down everything that you eat.
Outside of that, it's very difficult to do a long term multi. Thousands of people here, take this, and
over the next ten years, please write down everything that you eat, drink.
[01:04:15] Rich: This was 30 years.
[01:04:17] Shelley: It was 30 years long.
[01:04:18] Rich: Yeah.
[01:04:20] Shelley: So it was 30 years long, and these people wrote down everything they ate
for 30 years?
[01:04:25] Rich: No, but they took into account oh.
[01:04:28] Shelley: See, that's where their advanced methods come in.
[01:04:32] Rich: Advanced, yes.
[01:04:34] Shelley: This is even a bigger lie than statistics.
[01:04:39] Rich: I assume they use statistics.
[01:04:41] Shelley: I'm sure they did use statistics to get there, but yes. Go.
[01:04:45] Rich: One of the things that we found was that particular school at Harvard, the
Postdoc, wasn't the actual author of the study. The actual author of the study was Dr. Walter
Willett, and he is well known for being the author of lots of different vegetarian or vegan studies.
And in 2019, the Nutrition Coalition looked into one Dr. Willett based on one of his other studies,
the Eat Lancet Study. And their summary was that he has multiple serious potential conflicts of
interest which cast doubt on his ability to bring an unbiased viewpoint to the question of whether
a vegan vegetarian diet is preferable for good health. So he is a known supporter of advocate for
veganism or vegetarianism to include the fact that he's written multiple diet books, vegetarian
diet books. So his school at Harvard receives anywhere from almost a million to a million and a
half dollars of funding from.
[01:06:05] Shelley: Anytime you see this type of research with this sort of inflammatory
information, in my opinion, just my opinion. But when you see something that's so far over here,
the first question should be who's funding, who funded the study, and who really wrote this up?
[01:06:24] Rich: Yeah.
[01:06:24] Rich: So follow the dollars.
-- particular school for publishing a study by an author with known ties to vegetarianism, that, to
me, would have been a much better story than just causes diabetes.
[01:08:40] Shelley: Wonder if this is somehow tied to the whole, I don't know, larger picture of
them just kind of wanting to make meat go away. Not necessarily saying it's bad for you, but it
just needs to go away.
[01:08:51] Rich: Well, I think short answer, yes.
This particular journalist, maybe not. But from an overall perspective, the get rid of meat certainly
fits the bill for what the progressives are wanting to do with the world eat bugs. Plant based
protein.
[01:09:17] Shelley: Go check it out. The World Economic Forum agenda 2030.
[01:09:22] Rich: Go check it out.
[01:09:23] Shelley: Just Google it if you're interested in what some of the people who do have
money in this world are kind of wanting. Well, the direction that they're absolutely wanting the
world to go. Please just go to their website. Yeah, it's all written out right there, and it's pretty
plain. They put it in nice, pretty charts and graphs and everything. It's not very difficult to
understand, and.
[01:09:43] Rich: I'm not it really is eat bugs.
[01:09:46] Shelley: I know. That really is their solution. And if you're into that, well, okay.
No mealworms for me. No, thanks.
[01:09:57] Rich: The chickens love the meal.
[01:09:59] Shelley: The chickens love mealworms. I don't want to do that.
[01:10:02] Rebekah: Thinking of the smell in Korea, of them cooking those bugs. Bugs on the
street.
[01:10:07] Shelley: They eat bugs.
Honestly. Smells like catpy. It does.
Yeah. Junk journalism. I think you called it fake news. I did, yeah.
It was spot on. Yeah, spot on. Can't believe everything you read.
[01:10:27] Rich: That's the truth, dude.
[01:10:28] Shelley: Do two or three more clicks. Just find out where the money is coming
from. Please do not do just I can't say do not be leery whenever you're reading something that
all of a sudden says, eggs are bad again. It's like, dude, we've done this with the meat. We've
done this with the eggs. That's like trying to get us to put on a mask.
Like, you did it once. Fool me once.
[01:10:57] Rich: Yeah. There is a website that I would recommend.
[01:11:01] Shelley: Absolutely.
[01:11:01] Rich: The Nutrition Coalition for Dietary Policy based on sound science. It is a
-- t of bravery as well, talking about things that aren't easy to discuss and sharing the hard times
to get to a message of hope. So we really appreciate that. That's really huge.
[01:13:27] Shelley: You're welcome.
[01:13:28] Rich: Brave.
[01:13:28] Rich: Thank you.
[01:13:31] Shelley: All right, well, thank you guys again for listening and watching. If you are
continuing to enjoy it, if you have not already, please subscribe hit the like button and make a
comment, especially to Rebekah about her journey. If you are, I don't know, struggling in a place
where you are, please, I don't know, reach out to someone that you know that you can trust and
would support you through that and get the support.
Don't be ashamed of the way that you're feeling in your brain and go ask those people that you
know would support you to get behind you in your journey to waking up and showing up for
yourself every single day.
[01:14:16] Rich: That's right.
[01:14:18] Shelley: Okay, well, until next week. Bye. --
